[TheBagman]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...50C0A962958260

Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani was among the speakers on Wednesday at a forum about crime in the cities, sponsored by The New York Post. The Mayor discussed how crime and law enforcement had changed in New York over several decades, and how society had changed. Here is an excerpt, as transcribed by The New York Times.

We constantly present the false impression that government can solve problems that government in America was designed not to solve. Families are significantly less important in the development of children today than they were 30 or 40 years ago. Religion has less influence than it did 30 or 40 years ago. Communities don't mean what they meant 30 or 40 years ago.

As Americans, we're not sure we share values. We're sometimes even afraid to use the word values. We talk about teaching ethics in schools -- people say, "What ethics? Whose ethics? Maybe we can't." And they confuse that with teaching of religion. And we are afraid to reaffirm the basics upon which a lawful and a decent society are based. We're almost embarrassed by it.

We look upon authority too often and focus over and over again, for 30 or 40 or 50 years, as if there is something wrong with authority. We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

[ Interruption by someone in the audience. ]

You have free speech so I can be heard.

[ Another interruption. ]

At the core the struggle is philosophical. There are many, many things that can be done in law enforcement to protect us better. There are many things that can done to create a government that is more responsive and more helpful. The fact is that we're fooling people if we suggest to them the solutions to these very, very deep-seated problems are going to be found in government. . . .

The solutions are going to be found when we figure out as a society what our families are going to be like in the next century, and how maybe they are going to be different. They are going to have to be just as solid and just as strong in teaching every single youngster their responsibility for citizenship. We're going to find the answer when schools once again train citizens. Schools exist in America and have always existed to train responsible citizens of the United States of America.

If they don't do that, it's very hard to hold us together as a country, because it's shared values that hold us together. We're going to come through this when we realize that it's all about, ultimately, individual responsibility. That in fact the criminal act is about individual responsibility and the building of the respect for the law and ethics is also a matter of individual responsibility.

Why the fuck is this douche the Republicans front runner?

[Silent Steve]

Tyranny!!

[taco]

Originally Posted by TheBagman

Why the fuck is this douche the Republicans front runner?[/size]

9/11

[AnnonUSA]

This guy is not Presidential material. The real problem is that George W. Bush has lowered the bar so much that almost any fucktard can be considered "Presidential" material at this point.

[TacoSusio]

Originally Posted by TheBagman

Why the fuck is this douche the Republicans front runner?

b/c the influential (read wealthy) base of spineless douchebags - that have been cowering in their mcmansions since 9/11, demanding protection at all (others') costs - want him.

[elroypornlab]

Originally Posted by AnnonUSA

This guy is not Presidential material. The real problem is that George W. Bush has lowered the bar so much that almost any fucktard can be considered "Presidential" material at this point.

BigRon for president in 08

[BigRon]

Don"t Worry Da he will never make it as the Reublican Canadate hes to liberal.

Hes Pro abortion,Anti-Gun,Pro-Gay rights, He violates 3 core values of the Conservative Base.

[TheBagman]

All I know is that come February 19th when the state of Washington holds it's primaries I am asking for a Republican ballot and voting Ron Paul.

[BigRon]

Originally Posted by TheBagman

All I know is that come February 19th when the state of Washington holds it's primaries I am asking for a Republican ballot and voting Ron Paul.

Now Da no need to vote for a Democrat!

[TheBagman]

Originally Posted by BigRon

Now Da no need to vote for a Democrat!

Ron Paul is a Republican Ron.

[BigRon]

Originally Posted by TheBagman

Ron Paul is a Republican Ron.

No he is"t least not in this Century.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070800966.html

Republicans Believe in Border Contol And A strong America both Militarly and Econoimc as you can"t have the First without the secound.

[TheBagman]

Originally Posted by BigRon

No he is"t least not in this Century.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070800966.html

Republicans Believe in Border Contol And A strong America both Militarly and Econoimc as you can"t have the First without the secound.

He believes in Border Control, he voted for no amnesty. He also wants a strong economy, considering he wants to get rid of the federal reserve and make our dollar strong again. Also supports small government, and non-interventionism, much like a much more conservative Ronald Reagan.

He is what being a Republican once stood for... but has long since been lost.

[TheBagman]

Ron check the begining of this video. Even your man Pat Buchanan digs Ron Paul.

YouTube - Ron Paul in Debate at Reagan Library...