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Old 05-14-2010, 07:16 PM   #1
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effects of deepwater horizon incident


EDIT: the flickr link there is doin something weird with embedding flickr.com/photos/lagohsep/sets/72157624059166956/

thats sick. hard to look at.



Disaster unfolds slowly in the Gulf of Mexico - The Big Picture - Boston.com

these are even worse in some cases. sickening.



"Top Hat" is no longer the next course of action to combat the leak, but BP will be using instead an insertion tube (see photo: http://bit.ly/ajKfdl). BP successfully lowered the device to the ocean floor and, over the next 24 hours, they hope have it in place in the leaking pipe.
seems like thats a better idea than the top hat. no problems with hydrates because theres not much seawater getting in to form them... hope they can pull it off.

The analysis was conducted by Steve Werely, an associate professor at Purdue University, using a technique called particle image velocimetry. Harris tells Michele Norris that the method is accurate to a degree of plus or minus 20 percent. That means the flow could range between 56,000 barrels a day and 84,000 barrels a day.

Another analysis by Eugene Chiang, a professor of astrophysics at the University of California, Berkeley, calculated the rate of flow to be between 20,000 barrels a day and 100,000 barrels a day.
heh...at first they were guessing 5000 BPD. if this new figure is accurate thats a valdez every 4 or 5 days
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Old 05-14-2010, 07:36 PM   #2
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Re: effects of deepwater horizon incident

I have no doubt this leak is much heavier then we have been told.

This is such a fucking crime. To see there are like 3800 Wells in the Gulf, would lead many to say it proves the safety of the drilling. But look at the damage from just one fuckup.

These Drill baby Drill people are the same who will now advocate for New Nuclear Power plants. Which using the same yardstick, is a safe technology, Unless you happen to live within the containment radius of the next "RARE" Reactor incident, or if you live downwind of the next Virtually impossible meltdown.

People are imperfect, and our technology is fallible. The envelope of life on Earth is so narrow that our environmental fuckups can cause the world to shuck off the human race like a dog with a bad case of fleas.

Sadly this damage in the gulf will never be cleaned in our lifetime. No matter what they tell us or how much of our money they spend to clean it up.
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Where's All the Oil? And Where's it Going to End Up? - AOL News
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Old 05-14-2010, 08:59 PM   #4
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Re: effects of deepwater horizon incident

I think they've achieved a Tesla like global oil power system. I like, keep up the good work guys, I'll be able to plug my car into the ground soon!
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Old 05-14-2010, 11:14 PM   #5
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Re: effects of deepwater horizon incident

Good info provided by GTFO. He's off my ignore list.

There's an interesting discussion going on about this in some lib zines. It started with Lew Rockwell's contrarian Why Not Feel Sorry for BP? That was ripped by mutualist libertarian Kevin Carson in Sympathy for the Devil, BP. Sheldon Richman, editor of The Freeman, weighs in with Self-Regulation in the Corporate State: The BP Spill. Stephan Kinsella, "Austro-anarchist" writer/lawyer (from Houston) sums things up in Richman and Carson on the BP Oil Spill.
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Re: effects of deepwater horizon incident

thanks for your concern, but i dont need your usual rehash of other peoples material to paint me an anarchist while i have a god damned sea of oil in my back yard. willy. you really think anyone with half a brain feels sorry for BP? what the fuck is your malfunction!?
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Re: effects of deepwater horizon incident

Highlights of Sheldon Richman's article:

BP’s defenders and statist critics both have it wrong. This is not the story of a well-meaning or negligent firm operating in the free market. Negligent or not, BP is a player in a corporatist system that for generations has featured a close relationship between government and major business firms. (It wouldn’t have surprised Adam Smith.) Prominent companies have always been influential at all levels of government — and no industry more so than oil, which has long been a top concern of the national policy elite, most particularly the foreign-policy establishment.
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In this context there’s less to the contrast between government regulation and corporate self-regulation than meets the eye. Self-regulation in a corporate state does not constitute the free market. When companies are sheltered in any substantial way from the competitive market’s disciplinary forces, incentives turn perverse.
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It took the Deepwater Horizon tragedy to bring out the fact that a single federal agency, the Minerals Management Service, is “responsible for both policing the oil industry and acting as its partner in drilling activities,” writes the New York Times. “Decades of law and custom have joined government and the oil industry in the pursuit of petroleum and profit. The Minerals Management Service brings in an average of $13 billion a year. Under federal law, even in the case of a major accident, the company responsible for the oil well acts in concert with government in cleanup activities.”

The coziness between government and the oil industry is also apparent in the cap on liability for damages – a paltry $75 million — from offshore oil spills (not including cleanup costs). The interesting question is whether BP’s dubious conduct would have been different without the cap. Hayward, the Wall Street Journal reports, “admitted the U.K.-based oil giant had not had the technology available to stop the leak, and said in hindsight it was ‘probably true’ that BP should have done more to prepare for an emergency of this kind.” Transocean, owner and operator of the rig, is petitioning to limit its own liability to $26.7 million.
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Highlights of Sheldon Richman's article:

BP’s defenders and statist critics both have it wrong. This is not the story of a well-meaning or negligent firm operating in the free market. Negligent or not, BP is a player in a corporatist system that for generations has featured a close relationship between government and major business firms. (It wouldn’t have surprised Adam Smith.) Prominent companies have always been influential at all levels of government — and no industry more so than oil, which has long been a top concern of the national policy elite, most particularly the foreign-policy establishment.
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In this context there’s less to the contrast between government regulation and corporate self-regulation than meets the eye. Self-regulation in a corporate state does not constitute the free market. When companies are sheltered in any substantial way from the competitive market’s disciplinary forces, incentives turn perverse.
...
It took the Deepwater Horizon tragedy to bring out the fact that a single federal agency, the Minerals Management Service, is “responsible for both policing the oil industry and acting as its partner in drilling activities,” writes the New York Times. “Decades of law and custom have joined government and the oil industry in the pursuit of petroleum and profit. The Minerals Management Service brings in an average of $13 billion a year. Under federal law, even in the case of a major accident, the company responsible for the oil well acts in concert with government in cleanup activities.”

The coziness between government and the oil industry is also apparent in the cap on liability for damages – a paltry $75 million — from offshore oil spills (not including cleanup costs). The interesting question is whether BP’s dubious conduct would have been different without the cap. Hayward, the Wall Street Journal reports, “admitted the U.K.-based oil giant had not had the technology available to stop the leak, and said in hindsight it was ‘probably true’ that BP should have done more to prepare for an emergency of this kind.” Transocean, owner and operator of the rig, is petitioning to limit its own liability to $26.7 million.
Yeah ,Yeah.......saw this exact same story on Fox News yesterday.
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I think if anything, hogeye has showed us that 70% of decent people are still intolerant to a free speech environment. which possibly proves his point about the inability for us to sustain such a nation in the way our forefathers envisioned.
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percs anyone?
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Yeah ,Yeah.......saw this exact same story on Fox News yesterday.
The difference between Fox News and Sheldon Richman is that when Sheldon says he wants the government out of the oil business he doesn't mean he wants a Democratically controlled government out of the oil business but if it's Republican controlled government that is okay. I spent a week this last summer with Sheldon, he is as real as it gets. But not only does he write political/economic/social analysis and commentary for The Freeman, a magazine he is editor of, among other publications, but he also plays the bass guitar, and he told me one morning over a pancake breakfast that he used to play the mandolin. By the way, this is what Sheldon looks like. Notice the T-Shirt.

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Re: effects of deepwater horizon incident

one positive of the oil leak is that Obama has not been doing a press conference everyday. Amazing how quiet our brave savior has been this month.
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Re: effects of deepwater horizon incident

I'm confused as to what Obama has to do with this at all. Rush Limbaugh (and you?) seem absolutely convinced that evil Obama is responsible for this in some way my making off hand sarcastic remarks about his leadership.

I'm not saying I'm an Pbama fan, I'm just saying you sound exactly like Rush Limbaugh.
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lol, Im no limbaugh fan. nor an obama supporter. I do believe that our president has a responsibility to put more pressure on BP than he has. This is no laissez-faire situation but it seems to be treated as one. The media is just as guilty. For the first two weeks, there was very little attention paid by national news outlets. This shit is by far the worst man-made ecological disater in history and were getting a bunch of cover-your-own-ass mentality from every side. There's a time to talk and a time to walk. I hope Im wrong but I think this spill is going to change shit in the southeast for a LONG time to come.
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Re: effects of deepwater horizon incident

It's definitely not the first time this much oil has been spilled out there, fwiw. There was a Mexican (I think) rig that blew up a while back that spilled a lot more oil, and Katrina was responsible for more oil being spilled too, I believe. I think a lot of it will be evaporated, carried out to sea, sink to the sea floor, etc. In a month tops, no one will even remember this.

If the media is responsible for anything in this, it's for scaring everyone into thinking this is going to be Armageddon.

I mean I know it's bad, but it's not the first time this has happened, and we always end up back where we started. Big Oil is worth way too much for any real changes to occur.
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What are our energy alternatives to oil, besides nuclear? Are there any that are feasible?
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Re: effects of deepwater horizon incident

If there was serious motivation on the part of "upper management" in the US (i.e. serious money pledged) we could have fusion power in a matter of a few years I think.

And if they were serious about finding a good way to dispose of nuclear waste, I think nuclear power would be a great alternative.

But there is just wayyyy to much money to be had in oil. It's going to take a catastrophe (like running out of the shit) to motivate the higher-ups to ever to anything to change our energy dependence I think.
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Re: effects of deepwater horizon incident

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It's definitely not the first time this much oil has been spilled out there, fwiw. There was a Mexican (I think) rig that blew up a while back that spilled a lot more oil, and Katrina was responsible for more oil being spilled too, I believe. I think a lot of it will be evaporated, carried out to sea, sink to the sea floor, etc. In a month tops, no one will even remember this.

If the media is responsible for anything in this, it's for scaring everyone into thinking this is going to be Armageddon.

I mean I know it's bad, but it's not the first time this has happened, and we always end up back where we started. Big Oil is worth way too much for any real changes to occur.
I pray to god that youre right but I have to respectfully disagree, Theres already reports of mile long plumes of oil beneath the gulf, and I dont see BP capping this thing until the relief well gets drilled.
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