Torture - Part II

AnnonUSA · 12-07-2005, 03:38 AM

Since I couldn't find the torture thread, I made a new one...

AP Poll: Most Say Torture OK in Rare Cases

AP Poll: Most in U.S, Britain, France and S. Korea Say Torture OK, at Least in Rare Instances
By WILL LESTER Associated Press Writer
The Associated PressThe Associated Press

WASHINGTON Dec 6, 2005 — Most Americans and a majority of people in Britain, France and South Korea say torturing terrorism suspects is justified at least in rare instances, according to AP-Ipsos polling.

The United States has drawn criticism from human rights groups and many governments, especially in Europe, for its treatment of terror suspects. President Bush and other top officials have said the U.S. does not torture, but some suspects in American custody have alleged they were victims of severe mistreatment.

The polling, in the United States and eight of its closest allies, found that in Canada, Mexico and Germany people are divided on whether torture is ever justified. Most people opposed torture under any circumstances in Spain and Italy.

Full story: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1378454

TheBagman · 12-07-2005, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by TheDude

In certain cases I think it may be neccecary.

Pigwax · 12-07-2005, 10:54 AM

yeah, i think we already killed this subject before...

i agree with da and the dude

Boondock · 12-07-2005, 11:25 AM

of course it's necessary some of the time. these guys know what they are doing and i'm sure they are not doing it just for fun. you can't just start torturing a guy right away casuse you cause him enough pain and he'll tell you what you want to hear.

Pigwax · 12-07-2005, 11:48 AM

why don't the europeans agree?

TheBagman · 12-07-2005, 11:55 AM

It may be because they don't think the terrorists are doing any wrong. They are fighting for their freedom, you know ? They just have different point of view, it's ok to kill to further thier agenda. It might be bacause the US is in support of it, so naturally they oppose it.

Pigwax · 12-07-2005, 12:02 PM

i see

TheBagman · 12-07-2005, 12:10 PM

I'm just speculating... but from thier attitude that's what I am getting...

The_Kelzor · 12-07-2005, 12:21 PM

i would think our goverment was a lot cooler if they tortured more people...except for me..yeah..they would lose cool points if they tortured me

falnsenseofpryde · 12-07-2005, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by The_Kelzor

i would think our goverment was a lot cooler if they tortured more people...except for me..yeah..they would lose cool points if they tortured me

yeah.. that

CallMeHerb · 12-07-2005, 02:31 PM

the only torturing i find acceptable is if it involves me personally. like if somebody killed a family member of mine or raped my little cousin or something, i'd torture the fuck out of them. then i'd let them bleed out to death.

blunts&teriyaki · 12-07-2005, 02:37 PM

Torture is totally fuckin acceptable...in fact if i was head of the military...I would encourage it...look they cut off heads and shit, we do fucked up stuff, there is NO LAW IN WAR..no police to come arrest u...no higher authority than ur gun...this fact has been brought home to me talking to many vets from the Vietnam War..

What pisses me off is that we lie about...why does Rummy and Bush say we "don't torture?" We do..it is proven, it is documented...we need to be like look "we are in a war, we feel torture works, so we are going to do it...u don't like it to bad, why don't u do something, oh wait u can't can u pussy France or broke ass Russia, why cause we are America, and we do what we want cause we are out of control!"

If they said something to that effect I would have respect for them, instead of torturing people behind closed doors. fuck it, we do it, we might as well enjoy it....put that shit on pay-per-view and I will order a pizza and smoke a blunt to it.

blunts&teriyaki · 12-07-2005, 02:55 PM

Thats too bad...see I really think the US should drop the guise (and that is what it is) of following laws in this war...we should say look the other side doesn't fight by rules or follow intl. laws. so we ain't going to either...kill who we wanna kill, when we wanna kill em, how we wanna kill em. I have had a lot of Vietnam vets (both Amerians and South Vietnames) tell me even sometimes their CO was afraid of giving certain orders cause one of soldiers might put a bullet in the back of his head if he didn't like the order....thats the kind of war i want...all out chaos shit.

AnnonUSA · 12-07-2005, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by blunts&teriyaki

Thats too bad...see I really think the US should drop the guise (and that is what it is) of following laws in this war...we should say look the other side doesn't fight by rules or follow intl. laws. so we ain't going to either...kill who we wanna kill, when we wanna kill em, how we wanna kill em. I have had a lot of Vietnam vets (both Amerians and South Vietnames) tell me even sometimes their CO was afraid of giving certain orders cause one of soldiers might put a bullet in the back of his head if he didn't like the order....thats the kind of war i want...all out chaos shit.

That is how our enemies fight us. We must not forget the American Revolution was won by not facing the Enemy face to face on the battlefield, the Americans fought a war from the forests, and trenches. A form of warfare that took the enemy by surprise. They fought on their terms, not England's. We as a country and war-faring nation have forgotten that. To win you must fight to the utmost of your ability. Rules of engagement while providing a guideline should be just that a guideline...Let our Son's and Daughters fight to Win and Fight to stay alive.

blunts&teriyaki · 12-07-2005, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by TheDude

Exactly. Let there be a guidline, but don't make our troops afraid to pull the trigger if they feel threatend.

fuck guidelines...the guidelines should be like kill, stay alive, and rape the hot women. Loot, pillage, and plunder...shit is fuckin war man.

I feel like they should tell the soldiers reccommended ways to fight, to defend, to attack but u know...ultimately whatever keeps u alive

AnnonUSA · 12-07-2005, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by blunts&teriyaki

I feel like they should tell the soldiers reccommended ways to fight, to defend, to attack but u know...ultimately whatever keeps u alive

Yeah man that would be like....Guidelines! lol.... you're funny man....

blunts&teriyaki · 12-07-2005, 03:31 PM

^^U know what would be crazy about all that..like the human race would advance expontentially in each war...because the shit, the schemes, the weapons, the traps, manaeuvers, etc. that people would invent with minimial guidelines would be crazy..Like Mongolians and Romans but with some fuckin better weapons.

Blunted Thoughts

The_Kelzor · 12-07-2005, 09:03 PM

what the fuck happened to war...jesus christ...warriors used to kick ass man..they would all get drunk, party all night, fuck many a bitch, and then go to the battle field with a hangover and cut peoples heads off...god damn....war is turning into a noncontact sport