[TheBagman]

The Government sure thinks we need one. What? With seatbelt laws, smoking bans, vice taxes, FCC controlling what we watch and hear, drug war, who can and cant marry, and whatever else we decide to do with our individual lives. Is it really our life, or has the government now claimed ownership of that too?

Whatever happened to liberty with respect to another's liberty? Choosing not to wear a seatbelt, homosexual's getting married, me doing drugs, or me fucking a prostitute has no adverse effects on anyones life but my own. So, what's the big deal? If my decisions hurt me, the only thing I should be hearing from anyone is a big fucking "I told you so," not a court case wasting even more of my and tax payers money. Charge a person for a real crime, like rape, stealing, or hell murder even. Give me a fucking break, and leave me the fuck alone.

Smoking bans, retarded. Just great, now I open up a business, the government can decide what I can allow my customers to do. How far will it go? How much bullshit does it take for someone to realize they are taking a business owners rights away, just because a few "willing" customers complain that it's unhealthy. Alot of whats put in food is just as unhealthy, next thing you know they will be outlawing deep fryers because of too much cholesterol. I'm not a tobacco smoker, and prefer not to be around it much at all, but when I see a government forcing a business owner to implement rules in his place of personal private business that he worked his ass off for to own it pisses me off. If you don't like the smoke, leave. Maybe, if the business owner realized it would take away business it wouldn't be such a big deal. Go to another restaurant, go home and make a meal, fast, I don't give a fuck, but don't take away someones rights just because it makes you cough.

FCC, even more bullshit. Three hundred thousand dollar fines for four letter words. Censorship of the free right to speech, and press. You don't like it? Turn the channel. You don't want your kids hearing it? Monitor everything they watch, and hear. Or, alternatively put them in a bubble, because it's fucking out there in their schools, the music, in the store, every day life people say shit, and fuck, and many other words that many deem offensive. Whats offensive to one may not be offensive to another, after all, it's all just words. Stretching and manipulating of our vocal cords to make noise, nothing more, nothing less. Only we can attach meaning to it, so making it all illegal would be taking away individuality? Individualism is dieing, one of the very founding qualities that this country was founded upon. The founders of this great country would be flipping in their graves if they knew.


In conclusion;

Government - GEEEEEEEEEETTT OWWWWWT!!!!!!!!!

And, a special Fuck You! to the FCC. You don't control the internet , yet. HAHA!





Quotes:


They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin

If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. – Jacob Hornberger

It is not the business of government to make men virtuous or religious, or to preserve the fool from the consequences of his own folly. Government should be repressive no further than is necessary to secure liberty by protecting the equal rights of each from aggression on the part of others, and the moment governmental prohibitions extend beyond this line they are in danger of defeating the very ends they are intended to serve. – Henry George

There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws. – Ayn Rand

The United States is a nation of laws, badly written and randomly enforced. – Frank Zappa

Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? – Thomas Jefferson

[suicidebonger]

no additions needed....

[AnnonUSA]

As far as the smoking ban, I'm for it. In NYC everyone (restaurants) complained that it would ruin their business and drive away customers. Well it appears just the opposite. People that normally would not frequent places because of the smokers are now coming in with their families and friends.

I am not too keen on removing peoples rights, but there are too many rude assholes that don't respect others. I've had people blow smoke in my direction while I was eating dinner. Second hand smoke may not be as bad as Uncle Sam wants it to be, but to a lot of children it leads to respiratory problems and asthma.

I've been to some bars that were cleaned up after the smoking bans, fresh paint and wallpaper, and the difference is remarkable. the whole place is cleaner, the TV's look brighter, the places are not dingy smoke filled rooms anymore. If you smoke, and you can't make it through a 1 to 2 hour meal without a cigarette, that's your problem. That's called willpower. If you can't handle it, maybe it's time to come to grip with what owns you. Do you control yourself, or are you controlled by a substance? Grow a pair of nads and suck it up for a while. Savor the food and the environment of the place you are spending good money to be in.

[TheBagman]

Originally Posted by AnnonUSA

If you smoke, and you can't make it through a 1 to 2 hour meal without a cigarette, that's your problem. That's called willpower.

It's not their problem unless the government makes it thier problem, which is not right in my opinion. There are many restaurants out there that I knew of that disallowed smoking, not so many that allowed it, but there are other options.

How far will the government go when the looney left or right says one thing is unhealthy and that it should be banned?

Like I said, I do not smoke cigs. I don't like the smell, and being in a place that is full of smoke makes me sick to my stomach. But, taking away simple rights such as that to disallow business owners from allowing certain things such as smoking is quite rediculous. I just don't eat or drink at those business that do not have a non-smoking section, non-smoking policy, or I just tough it out until I can get the fuck out of there.

[Ta'veren]

it should be the restaurant owners decision, if someone doesn't like the smoke then don't fucking eat there, it's not like there aren't millions of other restaurants in this country

[FilLaB0NGo7]

yeah it should be up to the owners, if its a place where a lot of kids eat then it should be no smoking, and if its a place where adults like to get rowdy and maybe have a few drinks then they should allow it

[daiseyduked]

one of a smokers most enjoyable times to smoke are right after a meal. so kiss my grits.

[TheBagman]

settle yourself girl

[daiseyduked]

well ....i've stopped smoking. it's gross, it makes your teeth yellow.....and makes your breath smelllooo.....

i've finished one coat on the trim. just around the doors though. not goin so well. i'm letting myself feel sorry for myself. i know there are better days to come.

good nite da and everyone else have a good nite

[TheBagman]

Yes, that's very good, and, yes, many more good memories to come.

Good night and sweet dreams daiseyduked.

[Vince Neil]

Cigarettes make rock stars like me look cool. I am above the law.

[Slutter McGee]

Originally Posted by AnnonUSA

As far as the smoking ban, I'm for it. In NYC everyone (restaurants) complained that it would ruin their business and drive away customers. Well it appears just the opposite. People that normally would not frequent places because of the smokers are now coming in with their families and friends.

I am not too keen on removing peoples rights, but there are too many rude assholes that don't respect others. I've had people blow smoke in my direction while I was eating dinner. Second hand smoke may not be as bad as Uncle Sam wants it to be, but to a lot of children it leads to respiratory problems and asthma.

It has nothing to do with smoking being unhealthy, dangerous, inconvienient, or annoying. It has everthing to do with the right to private property, and the right of that private business establishment or club to allow or do whatever it wishes as long as that does not deprive the equal rights of others.

So question. Do private establishments that allow smoking deprive others of an equal right to not smell smoke? No because non-smokers have a choice not to go there. The same argument applies to Private clubs that discriminate such as the Boy Scouts, or private country clubs that do not allow minority membership. You can argue that their actions are not ethically sound, but as membership is not forced upon someone, no rights are violated in descriminating against that individual.

And as far as asthma goes....maybe parents shouldn't take children with asthma to restraunts that allow smoking.

The government has no right to attempt to sustain my life for me. Fuck them. fucking jackasses. democrats, republicans, fuck em.
except Ron Paul,

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[TacoSusio]

slutter, while i appreciate the property rights argument and would otherwise agree with you, your reasoning is flawed on one point. the act of smoking is invasive, while the act of breathing 'fresh' air is not. but it is not merely annoying to other patrons of the restaurant, it is a health hazard as well.

if a restaurant decides to close it's doors to the public and become a private club, then i agree that it can and should be allowed to do as it pleases. the vast majority of restaurants hold themselves out to the public instead, because they wish to maximize revenues. nothing wrong with that, but they can hardly expect to enjoy the same rights that a private property holder who doesn't permit the public access enjoys.


performing an act that is inherently invasive on others is generally unacceptable behaviour in public.