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Old 08-06-2005, 10:41 AM   #1
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Why war?

Muslim Antidote





The following was written by someone unknown to me. It

was forwarded by people that inadvertently cut out the

writer's name. Too bad, indeed. The writer should be

this country's leading contributor to our Foreign

Policy thinking, if not our actual leader. Please read

it, and, if you think it is correct, share it with

others with the ability to think.



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To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go

through it. Our country is now facing the most serious

threat to its existence, as we know it, that we have

faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).





The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the

fact that there are very few of us who think we can

possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize what

losing really means.



First, let's examine a few basics:



1. When did the threat to us start? Many will say



September 11th, 2001. The answer as far as the United

States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to

September 2001, with the following attacks on us: Iran

Embassy Hostages, 1979; Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;

Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; Lockerbie,

Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988; First New

York World Trade Center attack 1993; Dhahran, Saudi

Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996; Nairobi,

Kenya US Embassy 1998; Dar es Salaam, Tanzania US

Embassy 1998; Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000; New York

World Trade Center 2001; Pentagon 2001. (Note that

during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581

terrorist attacks worldwide).



2. Why were we attacked? Envy of our position, our

success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during

the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush

1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the

Republicans or Democrats as there were no provocations

by any of the presidents or their immediate

predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.



3. Who were the attackers? In each case, the attacks

on the US were carried out by Muslims.



4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%



5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful? Hopefully, but

that is really not material. There is no doubt that

the predominately Christian population of Germany was

peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of

Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no

difference. You either went along with the

administration or you were eliminated. There were 5

to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for

political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests).

(see http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm).



Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed

by the Nazis, as the 6 million holocaust Jews who were

killed by them, and we seldom heard of anything other

than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the

world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about

killing anyone who got in his way of exterminating the

Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian

or any others. Same with the Muslim terrorists. They

focus the world on the US, but kill all in the way -

their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone

else. The point here is that just like the peaceful

Germans were of no protection to anyone from the

Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may

be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist

Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on

doing - by their own pronouncements - killing all of

us "infidels". I don't blame the peaceful Muslims.

What would you do if the choice was shut up or die?



6. So who are we at war with? There is no way we can

honestly respond that it is anyone other than the

Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct

and avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be

fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly

recognize and articulate who you are fighting.



So with that background, now to the two major

questions:

1. Can we lose this war?

2. What does losing really mean?



If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two

pivotal questions.



We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as

it may sound, the major reason we can lose is that so

many of us simply do not fathom the answer to the

second question - What does losing mean?







It would appear that a great many of us think that

losing the war means hanging our heads, bringing the

troops home and going on about our business, like post

Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can

get. What losing really means is:



We would no longer be the premier country in the

world. The attacks will not subside, but rather will

steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not

just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they

would not have produced an increasing series of

attacks against us, over the past 18 years. The plan

was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we were

neutered and submissive to them.



We would of course have no future support from other

nations, for fear of reprisals and for the reason that

they would see, we are impotent and cannot help them.



They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one

at a time. It will be increasingly easier for them.

They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't matter

whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw

its troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim

terrorists bombed their train and told them to

withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to

do, will be done. Spain is finished.



The next will probably be France. Our one hope on

France is that they might see the light and realize

that if we don't win, they are finished too, in that

they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us.

However, it may already be too late for France.

France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast!



If we lose the war, our production, income, exports

and way of life will all vanish as we know it. After

losing, who would trade or deal with us, if they were

threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the

Muslims, how could anyone else? The Muslims fully

know what is riding on this war, and therefore are

completely committed to winning, at any cost. We

better know it too and be likewise committed to

winning at any cost.



Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of

losing? Simple. Until we recognize the costs of

losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our

thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to

take that 100% effort to win.



So, how can we lose the war? Again, the answer is

simple. We can lose the war by " imploding". That

is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the

enemy and their purpose, and really digging in and

lending full support to the war effort. If we are

united, there is no way that we can lose. If we

continue to be divided, there is no way that we can

win!



Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't

comprehend the life and death seriousness of this

situation



- President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of

Transportation. Although all of the terrorist attacks

were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years

of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling.

Does that sound like we are taking this thing

seriously? This is war! For the duration, we are

going to have to give up some of the civil rights, we

have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared

to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we

will most certainly lose all of them permanently.



And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave

up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and immediately

restored them after the victory and in fact added many

more since then. Do I blame President Bush or

President Clinton before him? No, I blame us for

blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political

Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this

conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war.

None of those words apply to war. Get them out of

your head.



- Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war

and/or the Administration that it almost seems they

would literally like to see us lose. I hasten to add

that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is

because they just don't recognize what losing means.

Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the

enemy that we are divided and weakening, it concerns

our friends, and it does great damage to our cause.



- Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the

politicians and media regarding the treatment of some

prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies best what I am

saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the

treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small

group of our military police. These are the type

prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing

their own people off buildings, cutting off their

hands, cutting out their tongues and otherwise

murdering their own people just for disagreeing with

Saddam Hussein. And just a few years ago these same

type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their own

people for the same reason. They are also the same

type enemy fighters, who recently were burning

Americans, and dragging their charred corpses through

the streets of Iraq. And still more recently, the

same type enemy that was and is providing videos to

all news sources internationally, of the beheading of

American prisoners they held. Compare this with some

of our press and politicians, who for several days

have thought and talked about nothing else but the

"humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners - not burning

them, not dragging their charred corpses through the

streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.

Can this be for real? The politicians and pundits

have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of

Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of

comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of

the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle

we are in and the disastrous results of losing this

war, nothing can. To bring our country to a virtual

political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us

look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -

totally oblivious to what is going on in the real

world. Neither we, nor any other country, can survive

this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean

that some of our politicians or media people are

disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely

oblivious to the magnitude, of the situation we are in

and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing

us, for many years. Remember, the Muslim terrorists

stated goal is to kill all infidels! That translates

into all non-Muslims - not just in the United States,

but throughout the world. We are the last bastion of

defense.



We have been criticized for many years as being

'arrogant'. That charge is valid in at least one

respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we

are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the

hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that

with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat

anything bad in the world! We can't! If we don't

recognize this, our nation as we know it will not

survive, and no other free country in the World will

survive if we are defeated. And finally, name any

Muslim countries throughout the world that allow

freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of

religion, freedom of the Press, equal rights for

anyone - let alone everyone, equal status or any

status for women, or that have been productive in one

single way that contributes to the good of the world.



This has been a long way of saying that we must be

united on this war or we will be equated in the

history books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman

Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow

history books to be written or read.



If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye

on how the Muslims take over France in the next 5

years or less. They will continue to increase the

Muslim population, of France and continue to encroach

little by little, on the established French

traditions. The French will be fighting among

themselves, over what should or should not be done,

which will continue to weaken them and keep them from

any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily

familiar?



Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from

them by some external military force. Instead, they

give their freedoms away, politically correct piece by

politically correct piece. And they are giving those

freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that

they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or

even to themselves, once they are in power. They

have universally shown that when they have taken over,

they then start brutally killing each other over who

will be the few who control the masses. Will we ever

stop hearing from the politically correct, about the

"peaceful Muslims"?



I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said

above. If we are united, there is no way that we can

lose. I hope now after the election, the factions in

our country will begin to focus on the critical

situation we are in, and will unite to save our

country. It is your future we are talking about! Do

whatever you can to preserve it.





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After reading the above, we all must do this not only

for ourselves, but our children, our grandchildren,

our country and the world. There are those that find

fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone

who truly thinks through this, that we must UNITE

whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or

liberal and that includes the Politicians and media of

our country and the free world!
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Old 08-07-2005, 10:35 AM   #2
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Re: Why war?

im really suprised no one responed to this
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Old 08-07-2005, 10:41 AM   #3
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Re: Why war?

hold your horses im still reading...
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Old 08-07-2005, 10:51 AM   #4
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Re: Why war?

done yet?
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Re: Why war?

I didn't like the beginning of the article...i liked the racial profiling part, which i think is what we should be doing, and i dont give a shit about how some of those prisoners are being treated...they were the ones shooting at us...
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Re: Why war?

Originally Posted by DoctaF U N K
We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.
"Those that give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety." - Benjamin Franklin

what da said, too

and seriously dude don't ever post an e-mail essay, I fuckin hate reading those, the spaces between the sentences are annoying, and I don't care to read anything that the author won't even own up to.
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Re: Why war?

Originally Posted by Silent Steve

and seriously dude don't ever post an e-mail essay, I fuckin hate reading those, the spaces between the sentences are annoying, and I don't care to read anything that the author won't even own up to.
Just words for thought my friend, didnt mean to offend.
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