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Old 10-22-2007, 12:47 AM   #1
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Fuckin A! I'll have a J!

aw sweet!

a herb friendly forum with a place specially for us geeks. sweet.


any linux folk in da house?



i been with linux since early 2004 having been looking into it for the previous few months and a bit. the Open Source ethos was so inspiring. what joy it brought me.




k, normally, i can't stand that hand gesture for all the associations it picked up last century, but i just cant resist this, if only for the ... the thing the banana is riding:



mkay. back to linux... where was i before being distracted.... oh ya...
so, its been a few years with linux, i started with suse 9.1 and i've had a suse on my computer almost constantly since (currently with 10.2, i actually bought 9.2 pro). I've been a serious distro surfer, and that got even worse once i learned how to chainload properly. musta seen well over 50 distros by now. i've filled at least once o those big spindles with cds and dvds o distros.
suse still stands out for one thing... yast. i just aint seen anything that beats it yet. some come close to offering the basics of just the configuration management, but for the install... nah. i still use suse to manage all my other opperating systems.

ok... the geeksics:

hds:
an old 12gb (my first, aw)
2x 60gb ide
300 sata.
1tb lacie big disk
1gb on my recordystick and 1gb in my camera.

so, i have one of the 60s and the 12 in my old pc ("FuzzyLogic") with some unknown gnu|linux on it (i cant remember, and it wont tell me!) and a duffed dual boot. only just got it up n runnin couple days ago since it's monitor went to...

"LevinRhan" my glorious new pc...
athlon, dual processor, dual core, 64bit 4200. mmm.
2 gig of 333 ram. nvidia 7800 gtx. 2 monitors.

which is connected to my A1 printer, one aspect of the main porpoise of me using computers...

a computer to me, really, is little more than a jumped up paintbrush.

... ok, once u connect it to the net it becomes a library & ultimate learning tool and communications device n all sorts too.
but mainly its a paintbrush.



so on the 300gb sata, i have windows xp (packed with all kinds of "essential" goodies for someone using a pc in my feild of expertice) and SuSE 10.2 (which atow aint booting, i know why too, soon fixed).
the 60 in LevinRhan is partitioned pretty much as such

unused 2gb fat

unused 2gb fat

50mb fat for GRUB bootloader

extended-
4gb SWAP

SuSE 9.1. (just for nostalgia, and for various tools until i get around to fixing 10.2's boot)

Mandrake~ sorry, Mandriva 2008 rc2. (i really dont know why... must have something going for it)

Sabayon 3.4 the full version. (nice to have a source install. heh. it does loads out of the box, and being gentoo, has the best documentation if you're looking to actually learn)

StudioUbuntu 7.04. (well, it works, it's ubuntu (a billion noobs to support me. ooh tongue n cheek geek humour), and its aimed at me, having video, graphics and music stuff)

ZenWalk Linux 4.8. (just installed. WHY dont zenwalk like my puter? it seems like it would be such a nice system... but have yet to see it ever despite this being like the 3rd time o dling a version... i'm just about to learn how to edit my Xorg.config, or Xfree86config files n such as main project just now is to get dual monitor support working as i want it (ie, not just showing the same thing on both screens~ as nice as it is) in Sabayon & Ubuntu.

oh, and there's about 25gb left on the hd for more... and that should give room for more than a few distros as i'm gonna be checking out the little ones...
Puppy, graphpup, slax, damn small linux, and a handful of others whos names elude me too!



ok, if you're still reading, you're in the right place. you're a geek. that just wouldnt be interesting to anyone else. hehe.



i had fedora on my pc a wee whiley ago... it impressed me outta the box alright. it managed what no other had....
detected the connection to dad's windowsbox.
i even managed to transfer a file or two... then for some reason i have no idea why... it stopped being able to do that. bugger, so close and yet so far. meh.

anyways, now i have two PCs sitting next to each other, i find i have the potential to be much more productive... any time one is doing something i have to wait for (booting, rendering) i can still be getting on with stuff.
perhaps not such a great thing. how do you spell R S I.

now if i could get FuzzyLogic to connect to the net... mmmm.

i have the cable running under the floor ... leads to dad's pc in the hall (currently plugged into his network card) where he connects via a usb modem, which still seem to be the bane of linux's existence. surely they'd be making support for such things for linux first n foremost since linux is more the networky sorta thing, no?
anyways, by this point you may have realised,.... im not a real geek... a real geek would have these issues sorted in a second. and you're right. i'm an artist! can you help me get my paintbrush to work! lol.
got a netgear router for which i have misplaced the power lead sitting next to my two pcs through in what you wouldnt believe is actually supposed to be my bedroom. an A1 printer takes up alot of fuckin room.

anyways... i'll leave yas with that.

this has been the most fun i have had for a first post on a forum ever. yay.
dont worry, i'll go off and behave myself like a normal patron of the forums now.

Enlakech!


-Digit.

ps, hehe, woops, stood here for ages not knowin how to post, not understanding teh error message i recieved back. not realising that's a line for tags, not for a tagline.

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Old 10-22-2007, 01:03 AM   #2
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Re: Fuckin A! I'll have a J!

lol....howdy digit!!! good to see ya 'round here i have to admit i slightly skimmed through your post. as soon as it got into comp stuff....i was lost. certainly not my forte...
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Old 10-22-2007, 01:13 AM   #3
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Re: Fuckin A! I'll have a J!

Hey cool a new member! Welcome to the site man :) This place is pretty chillin. Hope you have a thick skin, you'll need it.
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Old 10-22-2007, 01:23 AM   #4
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Howdy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-22-2007, 01:24 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by ShiVersBlood View Post
Hey cool a new member! Welcome to the site man :) This place is pretty chillin. Hope you have a thick skin, you'll need it.

WOOHOO!


i love it when i chick with 11 dicks says that to me.






Originally Posted by TheDriver View Post
ditto

welcome, we have a linux freak already in the house
well sheeat, bring that gimp on out!




k, i know its only natural to like a new forum lots when she's new n mysterious and all you can see is how she doesnt have the flaws of your ex... but... i really like this place. hahaha.




dont even need to choose mah smilies. heh.




Originally Posted by elroypornlab View Post
Howdy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i know u too ... yer another from the "cantsaythatherecity" forums too aint ya.

weeeeee.......










anyone wanna 'splain the scrill... wtf is the scrill?

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Old 10-22-2007, 01:39 AM   #6
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Re: Fuckin A! I'll have a J!

heh, i was talking metaphorically, like the forum was m~ oh you got that?

Grasscity.

(if u actually ment literal girlfriend... moonlighthigh from same place)


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n what the fuck is scrill, n how come now theres more of it!
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Old 10-22-2007, 01:43 AM   #7
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Re: Fuckin A! I'll have a J!

First thing I gotta ask. Are Digit from Grasscity? (ah, already answered)

Originally Posted by Digit View Post
any linux folk in da house?
Been on Linux for just a tad over the last year to year and a half. Tried Ubuntu, Slackware, Fedora, Mandriva, OpenSuSe, and the current one I am using is Gentoo. I do have dual boot on both my desktop and laptop both with XP and Gentoo. 64-bit version on the laptop, and 32-bit version on my desktop. Incredibly stable, and love how configurable everything is.


Originally Posted by Digit View Post
i been with linux since early 2004 having been looking into it for the previous few months and a bit. the Open Source ethos was so inspiring. what joy it brought me.
The Open Source philosophy is a great one indeed perfectly inspired by freedom to do as you please. What a lot of people think of the movement is that it is socialist. That's quite the opposite of what it stands for. If you decide to sell your code - you can. If you decide to sell support for your code - you can. It's something that only capitalism and freedom could afford.

Originally Posted by Digit View Post
ok... the geeksics:

hds:
an old 12gb (my first, aw)
2x 60gb ide
300 sata.
1tb lacie big disk
1gb on my recordystick and 1gb in my camera
Desktop ( P4 2.6ghz, 1.5gb ram, ATI 9800pro, ASUS P4P800, 19inch Dell LCD ):

320GB Western Digital. - Not fully partitioned yet. But, have Gentoo installed on it, and then a 100GB FAT partition.

120GB Maxtor. - XP installed on 40GB partition and the rest in FAT.

Laptop ( Dell Latitude D520, Intel Core2 Duo 1.6ghz, 1gb ram, 15 inch LCD ):

80GB. - XP installed on a 20GB partition. When I got the laptop I had to use Partition Magic to shrink the partition. 20GB partition for Gentoo, and then 40GB in FAT.

Originally Posted by Digit View Post
extended-
4gb SWAP
Why so much swap? It seems to me that's just a waste of space, especially with so much RAM.

Originally Posted by Digit View Post
suse still stands out for one thing... yast. i just aint seen anything that beats it yet. some come close to offering the basics of just the configuration management, but for the install... nah. i still use suse to manage all my other opperating systems.
Yast is nice for a GUI all-in-one configuration utility. It's a decent repository, but the best repository out there has got to be Portage for their incredible configurability. With Portage you can build programs with or without certain features, and build it specifically for your hardware. It can be a bugger at times with the USE tags and getting your CFLAGS, etc correct, but by far is the most powerful and configurable software repository.

Originally Posted by Digit View Post
Sabayon 3.4 the full version. (nice to have a source install. heh. it does loads out of the box, and being gentoo, has the best documentation if you're looking to actually learn)

ZenWalk Linux 4.8. (just installed. WHY dont zenwalk like my puter? it seems like it would be such a nice system... but have yet to see it ever despite this being like the 3rd time o dling a version... i'm just about to learn how to edit my Xorg.config, or Xfree86config files n such as main project just now is to get dual monitor support working as i want it (ie, not just showing the same thing on both screens~ as nice as it is) in Sabayon & Ubuntu.
Sabayon being a Gentoo based I obviously like that one, but never tried it (I'm likin' the real thing). Zenwalk is another one I want to install.

Might as well mention that the other distros I'd like to try are Arch, Wolvix, ELive, and Vector Linux. Also would love to try some BSD flavors. Tried any of those?

Originally Posted by Digit View Post
oh, and there's about 25gb left on the hd for more... and that should give room for more than a few distros as i'm gonna be checking out the little ones...
Puppy, graphpup, slax, damn small linux, and a handful of others whos names elude me too!
Let me know which one you like best, I'm interested in trying one out.

Originally Posted by Digit View Post
i have the cable running under the floor ... leads to dad's pc in the hall (currently plugged into his network card) where he connects via a usb modem, which still seem to be the bane of linux's existence. surely they'd be making support for such things for linux first n foremost since linux is more the networky sorta thing, no?
If it was being plugged right into ethernet it would be no problem. Wireless and USB are a bit tricky. It took me some time to get my wireless card working right.

Originally Posted by Digit View Post
got a netgear router for which i have misplaced the power lead sitting next to my two pcs through in what you wouldnt believe is actually supposed to be my bedroom. an A1 printer takes up alot of fuckin room.
Linksys here.
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Old 10-22-2007, 01:45 AM   #8
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Forgot to ask - What's your desktop of choice?

For me it's E17, lightweight and elegant with some impressive eye candy. KDE and GNOME is mega bloated in my opinion.

SCREENSHOT:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...an/desktop.jpg

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anyone wanna 'splain the scrill... wtf is the scrill?
You can use it in the Casino. You can find the Casino under Quick Links in the Navigation bar.

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The Open Source philosophy is a great one indeed perfectly inspired by freedom to do as you please. What a lot of people think of the movement is that it is socialist. That's quite the opposite of what it stands for. If you decide to sell your code - you can. If you decide to sell support for your code - you can. It's something that only capitalism and freedom could afford.
umm... being able to do that, i still call that socialism. alas, socialism, the word, so weak in conveying the principles of the political philosophy. i hear socialism and i think of my flavour of anarcho socialism, but the word socialism has been used in the most directly opposed of systems, fascism, as in "national socialism", blah. although, i suppose, it's the authoritarian rightists that are the opposite side simetrically on the political 2d map.

Why so much swap? It seems to me that's just a waste of space, especially with so much RAM.
space, i got.
i do fuckin crazy shit with graphics... lemme put it this way... 7 years ago i said 15gb of ram wud about do me. these days, i think about 48 gb of ram wud be ok. photoshop is a ram hungry piece of kit, and since its windows i run it on... ouch, where'd all my ram go? hehe. nah, the swap is just what i was advised, double my ram. hehe. i actually only have a gig swap on the sata for suse. all the other linuxes on the 60gig ide share the same 4 gig swap. thought it better to keep em to their own drives incase something happened, or i wanted to move drives about. n anyways, i mentioned photoshop is ram hungry (not surprising how many layers i use and i'm making A1 size bitmap (not vector) images.... but thats before i tell u what crazyness i get upto with audio and video stuff.

remember the days when people would say to you... 24mb of RAM! WHY DO U NEED THAT MUCH?! lol.


It's a decent repository, but the best repository out there has got to be Portage for their incredible configurability. With Portage you can build programs with or without certain features, and build it specifically for your hardware. It can be a bugger at times with the USE tags and getting your CFLAGS, etc correct, but by far is the most powerful and configurable software repository.
once u know how to use it eh? ... i do so much want to get into all these better ways, alas, i have practical needs for my making artwork which usually take me down the path of least resistance in terms of steepness of learning curve. took quite a push to move to linux at all, but needs must eh. yeah, i've heard it mentioned alot, n i'll get there yet.

ever heard of rpath... is portage the main doodad they use in it? i remember watching their sales pitch... very enticing. heh.

Sabayon being a Gentoo based I obviously like that one, but never tried it (I'm likin' the real thing). Zenwalk is another one I want to install.

Might as well mention that the other distros I'd like to try are Arch, Wolvix, ELive, and Vector Linux. Also would love to try some BSD flavors. Tried any of those?
yeah, it's worth dling sabayon just to have a look at it live. it's very plush, well fnished (works outta the box) and loads of little neat bells n whistles in gui that just add that extra touch of operability, rather than resource wasteful bloat (though, since its a source install... thats 12gig on the hd!).

bsds... got a few isos dled, had a quick peek at the one i've actually got around to burning to disk.... got a bit scared when i realised i'd have to go through some learning of new hd naming conventions and all sorts if i didnt want to mess up my partitions, got side tracked with the thousand other projects i piled on my plate and havnt yet been back... was only a couple weeks back though... might have it installed in the next couple. that and AROS... so scared i havnt even burned it to disk yet, lol. total virgin pioneer territory.

Let me know which one you like best, I'm interested in trying one out.
slax. slax is the one of the micro distros that i pimp to folks. its very cutesty and easy to add modules. though it's cutesyness makes u complacent thinkin its gonna be easier than it is. its built on slackware, so, u know its coming from fuckin solid roots. slackware is the daddy (as a gentoo man, i'm sure u can respect).


though, it does seem like there's a few discrepancies, like loss of backwards compatability now with version 6 as there's a new compression method being implimented. anyways, its really quite a fun little distro. really easy to put together something quite like a personalised linux from scratch, but without having to know a thing about compiling or hacking at all.




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n thnx for 'splainin the miidaj scrill.




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Forgot to ask - What's your desktop of choice?

For me it's E17, lightweight and elegant with some impressive eye candy. KDE and GNOME is mega bloated in my opinion.

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forgot to reply.

i dont really have a fave. when i started it was kde. it was familiar and even easier to navigate around than windows, which really took me by surprise having heard so much about linux's famed user-unfriendlyness. gnome back then was consistently glitchy, so i didnt think much of it, but have come round to liking it as well these days.

all the rest tend to blur together in my mind. flux, xfce, windowmaker, etc... i cant say which it is i like cos i dont know which name goes with which experience... maybe all they need to take off and kompete with the big two is to get themselves a nice reccogniseable logo, and an identity. i used Dyne:bolic quite a bit... that desktop environment is decent enough, fast n functional enough to do what u need (mostly). is that windowmaker? i cant remember... is window maker even a desktop environment, or was that just the tool for fiddling with it? lol, oh i dont know. no desktop environment has ever made me impressed with it yet though. oh, wait, no... the first glimer of innovation i saw for a gui was bumptop. i think thats what it was called. if u coupled bumptop with multi input touch screen... mmm.. yeah, then we're heading to catching up with me. the rest seem really uninspired, and the more popular they get the less likeley they are to take a leap. windows manages to make it look like it takes leaps by just stealing ideas from other people n then getting their lawyers to say it was their idea all along and since they do proprietary... no one else is allowed it anymore. hah.
i gotta say though, as much as i still like kde (and have come around to accepting the gnome with open arms), i still go around twidling them n turning off all sorts of stupid shit, like animated menus.... pray tell... why would anyone want to deliberately make their pc slower? switch that shit off! gah. i do that even on my new fast pc which can easily handle the effects, its just... it still makes it slower. i want productivity. its not like i'm ever wow'ed by a scrolling menu. the pc is a tool. u dont see me sticking bows n frills on my hammer do ya? [/rant]

heh, well, i'm sure u can sympathise...


hadnt looked at enlightenment for a long time.... its still alive! HURRAY!

if even for improving the autosuggestions that surround me, in a kinda conscious derren brown sort of way... i'm downloading enlightenemnt as i type. :)
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Ack! im a guy

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Re: Fuckin A! I'll have a J!

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WOOHOO!


i love it when i chick with 11 dicks says that to me.








well sheeat, bring that gimp on out!




k, i know its only natural to like a new forum lots when she's new n mysterious and all you can see is how she doesnt have the flaws of your ex... but... i really like this place. hahaha.




dont even need to choose mah smilies. heh.








i know u too ... yer another from the "cantsaythatherecity" forums too aint ya.

weeeeee.......










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Hai

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Re: Fuckin A! I'll have a J!

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Ack! im a guy
ew. sorry, the gender bending av threw me
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Re: Fuckin A! I'll have a J!

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WOOHOO!


i love it when i chick with 11 dicks says that to me.

lol +1

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lol....howdy digit!!! good to see ya 'round here i have to admit i slightly skimmed through your post. as soon as it got into comp stuff....i was lost. certainly not my forte...


i skipped this whole thread so it might have already been asked
are you the same digit from gc?
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umm... being able to do that, i still call that socialism. alas, socialism, the word, so weak in conveying the principles of the political philosophy.
My opinion on socialism is you work for the "good of the state" and you have no other choice really. Capitalism allows for both closed proprietary software and open free software, it doesn't delegate who you work for and what you can do. The total choice is up to the consumer and the developer, not the state.

A lot of the FLOSS movement is based on what is considered "socialist" ideals, but if it wasn't for the freedom that is provided to do whatever it is in your free time we wouldn't have people like Linus Torvalds and Richard Stahlman contributing greatly to the community.

Originally Posted by Digit
i hear socialism and i think of my flavour of anarcho socialism
Got you, and makes a lot more sense.

Originally Posted by Digit
nah, the swap is just what i was advised, double my ram.
Usually that's what's been advised in the past and what I was told in my Linux class in college, but from what I've been told by a couple of guru's at gentoo forums is with more and more ram being shipped in systems that swap is being used less and less and doesn't need so much space.

Originally Posted by Digit
once u know how to use it eh? :-) ... i do so much want to get into all these better ways, alas, i have practical needs for my making artwork which usually take me down the path of least resistance in terms of steepness of learning curve. took quite a push to move to linux at all, but needs must eh. yeah, i've heard it mentioned alot, n i'll get there yet. :-)
It's really not that difficult once you get used to it. Once you get all your flags set you pretty much just leave them. It can definitely get harry when you are installing something and it says it's missing a required dependency, and you check and it's already there, so you have to go through all your flags,kernel driver config, and stuff, then re-emerge/re-compile the program/kernel.

One thing I love about gentoo is the documentation. It is simply the best documented OS there is. Have a problem? Check the handbook. Not in the handbook? Check the wiki. Not in the wiki? Search the forums (gentoo forums search sucks hard, so I use google to search their forums). Not in the search results? Ask the forums. I've never not been able to figure something out.

Also the complete control of the OS you get, especially with gentoo. You build the OS from the kernel up. The whole process I consider 'fun'. It's work, no doubt, but fun. if I don't want something, for example if I don't want 'tif' support in gimp I can remove that flag and it won't build support for that file type.


ever heard of rpath... is portage the main doodad they use in it? i remember watching their sales pitch... very enticing. heh.
Not too familiar with rpath.

Originally Posted by Digit
slax. slax is the one of the micro distros that i pimp to folks. its very cutesty and easy to add modules. though it's cutesyness makes u complacent thinkin its gonna be easier than it is. its built on slackware, so, u know its coming from fuckin solid roots. slackware is the daddy (as a gentoo man, i'm sure u can respect).
I've heard lots of good about Slax, and DSL. Both sound worth the shot.

Originally Posted by Digit
.... right... i'm off to burn me a copy of the Amiga Research OS.... lets see if it fucks my computer. lol. (might get put off the idea again by the time between me hitting submit and finding a cd and the iso)
Lol... You're crazy. Let me know how that goes.

Originally Posted by Digit
is window maker even a desktop environment, or was that just the tool for fiddling with it?
Windowmaker is a window manager, not really a desktop manager. I'm unfamiliar with Dyne:bolic... what's that?

Originally Posted by Digit
the first glimer of innovation i saw for a gui was bumptop. i think thats what it was called. if u coupled bumptop with multi input touch screen... mmm.. yeah, then we're heading to catching up with me. the rest seem really uninspired, and the more popular they get the less likeley they are to take a leap.
Never heard of bumptop until just now. Did a quick google search, looks pretty neat. Ever used Beryl/Compiz?

hadnt looked at enlightenment for a long time.... its still alive! HURRAY!
if even for improving the autosuggestions that surround me, in a kinda conscious derren brown sort of way... i'm downloading enlightenemnt as i type. :)
It's by far my favorite desktop. I was on E16 for a while, loving it. The desktop itself took a total of a whopping 8mb of RAM at the very most and was averaging about 6mb. E17 uses a bit more ram (like 20mb) but still has some nice eye-candy and still really smooth and fast. I think they did an excellent job with E17, and to this date is my favorite desktop manager.
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